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Comparing Offers for Bathtub Refinishing

a guide for consumers comparing offers for bathtub refinishing. by Joy of St Croix

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OK, so…you need a bathtub refinished or reglazed or whatever it’s supposed to be called, and you pull out your phone and look up “bathtub refinishing or reglazing or whatever you call it”. You scroll for a bit… You like a company’s name so you follow the links that lead you to decide to contact the company. ~ You can afford their price, ~ they have a warranty, ~ they have 100 years of “combined experience”, ~ they can do it next week BAM – your research is done.

What could possibly go wrong?

shut up and take my money

Whatever happens next, nightmare or dream, is the best you can expect… because all you expected was a bathtub to be painted for an agreed on price by a person with “100 years of combined experience”.  With expectations like that you might get exactly what you pay for.


Is bathtub refinishing worth it? Can you answer these questions?

1 – What are your expectations? 2 – What is the tub refinisher actually offering? 3 – Are you being overcharged?

What are your expectations? …are they realistic?

When ordering anything you should weigh your expectations against what is likely - Manage your expectations
What did you expect – no, really – what did you expect?

Do you have unrealistic expectations? For some strange reason, a child will always be shocked and disappointed that the ice cream is in a one ounce plastic container with a waxed paper pull tab and a wooden spoon instead of homemade ice cream with fresh fruit in a waffle dish. That’s an unrealistic expectation. On the other hand, when an adult orders what they expect is a full sized Turkish rug and instead they receive a one dollar novelty item, I feel compelled to ask: How much did he pay for the rug…and the cost for shipping a heavy full sized rug? For the price he was paying, what should he have expected? Was it an unrealistic expectation?

If you’re comparing offers for tub refinishing then you already have some expectations, perhaps even subconsciously; but where did you get those expectations from? Are those expectations an average of the information you gathered in your search or are you expecting different levels of service from select companies? What are your realistic expectations for bathtub refinishing in your home?

Expectation # 1 – The Finish

a mirror-like reflection is a surface that is hygienic
and easy to clean and keep clean;
this is achieved by professionals with
a minimum of ten years of personal experience

a smooth, mirror-like reflection on a bathtub’s finish is more hygienic, easy to clean and keep clean.

What do you expect a newly refinished bathtub to look like?

The most obvious aspect of a newly refinished bathtub is the finish, but what exactly are you expecting it to look like – a new bathtub or a newly painted bathtub? Do you expect the finish to be “shiny” like how oil on a sidewalk is shiny or how a new penny is shiny? How about reflections? Should the finish just reflect light, or should it reflect images, too? How about dust in the painted finish? Should there be any dust? What about drips, runs, or sags in the painted finish? What is not so obvious about the finish on a bathtub is its purpose – hygiene. The bathtub is a tool to help keep you clean, and you need to clean your tools to maintain their functionality. A smooth to the touch finish is easier to clean than a rough surface where dirt, soap scum, and mineral deposits collect. If a company does not specifically state, in writing, that your finish will be sanded and polished to a mirror-like reflection then you should not expect a mirror-like finish. That would be an unrealistic expectation.


Will Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More produce a mirror-like reflection on my newly refinished bathtub?

Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More sands and polishes the bathtubs they refinish to produce a mirror-like reflection. This process is labor intensive and takes an additional 6 – 8 hour day.

Joy of St Croix sands and polishes all bathtub refinishing projects to produce a mirror like reflection

Expectation # 2 – The Caulk

Caulk is critical to the lifespan of both the bathtub’s painted finish and the wall. The most important and overlooked aspect of caulk is that it has a limited lifespan – meaning it has to be maintained if you expect it to last and be hygienic.

Do you expect the caulking to be painted over?

Caulking acts as a water seal and an expansion joint. As it gets old it gets hard and loses its flexibility. It shrinks and pulls away from the tub and the wall forming cracks that will allow water in. Water allows bacteria to degrade the edges of the bathtub’s paint. At the same time, the wall degrades with mold and mildew. Besides regular cleaning, you should expect that you will need to repair or replace your caulking at least two to three times in the lifespan of a tub or shower that gets residential family use. If it’s painted over how are you expected to do that?


What will Joy of St Croix do about the caulking?

Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More never paints over caulking. At the beginning of the project the caulking is removed and the remaining void where the caulking was is thoroughly cleaned out of debris and gunk. The bathtub surface that was covered by the caulk is treated for proper adhesion of the new coatings. The next day, after the new coating is dry, new acyrlic latex caulk is installed. We use acylic latex caulk with Microban rather than silicone for ease of maintenance and repair.


Expectation # 3 – The Drain

The drain is the weakest spot on a refinished bathtub and is the most likely place for the paint to fail because standing water collects around the circumference of the drain basket. If the newly refinished coating’s edge meets the circumference and works its way under the paint. Paint is weakest where it stops or where it doesn’t have a properly prepared surface to adhere to. If a bathtub refinishing company doesn’t remove the drain before painting the bathtub, then the drain area of the bathtub isn’t being painted…or cleaned or etched or primed or painted. Whether the drain is masked off or painted over or the gap between the drain basket and the tub is filled and caulked, it doesn’t matter – that is the edge of the coating. Water collects around the circumference of the drain basket and works its way under the paint. Bacteria grows in those crevices and begins to degrade the paint making it brittle. Little by little the edges of the paint chip and flake and the coating begins to fail. The solution to this is to prevent water contacting the edges of the paint by covering it with the drain basket. The drain should overlap the paint to create a seal – any other method is creating a seam that can separate and create an edge for water to collect. Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More process is to remove the old drain basket, refinish the bathtub, and install a new drain basket. The take-away is this: “The drain is the weakest spot on a refinished bathtub and is the most likely place for the paint to fail”…

Do you expect the drain to be painted over? (on your newly refinished bathtub)

The average bathtub refinishing company will paint over the drain because it saves time and material.


Do you you expect a fake drain cover to be glued on? (onto your newly refinished bathtub)

Some companies will claim that they’re installing a brand new drain basket when all they’re doing is gluing a cover on. This is actually worse than simply painting the drain basket because there is more areas for water to gather and bacteria to grow.


Do you expect a brand new drain? (with your newly refinished bathtub)

Joy of St Croix does not paint over drains nor do we glue fake covers on. Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More will remove the drain basket, remove any rust, and repair damage to the drain area if required. Repair charges may apply if the damage to the drain area is a published repair service. Repair services in conjunction with refinishing services may be eligible for a discount; repairs that are not eligible are those that extend the project to another day, e.g., floor and drain rebuilding .

After the refinishing process is completed a new drain basket will be installed. The drain basket to be installed will be new and non-used; it will be chrome plated with a solid brass body in a push/pull style.

push-pull drain basket

A short FAQ review of WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTAIONS?

Should you expect a refinished bathtub to have a mirror-like reflection?

Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More sands and polishes our refinishing projects in order to produce a mirror-like reflection. You should only expect a mirror-like reflection from bathtub refinishing if the company you hire specifically states that you should expect that feature from their service. Important – To produce a dust free and smooth to the touch finish with a mirror-like reflection requires sanding and polishing when the coating has dried.

Should you expect a refinished bathtub have new caulking?

Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More removes the existing caulking on day one before refinishing, and installs new acrylic latex caulk on day two after polishing the newly refinished bathtub. Important – Caulking is wet and needs 12 hours to dry cure before painting it, so it can’t be applied before the paint on the day of the refinishing. Caulking can only be applied on a dry and cured coating after the refinishing day. When is the caulking being installed?

Should you expect a brand new drain basket to be installed?

Joy of St Croix – Tub Repair and More never paints over drain baskets or glues on drain trim covers. We remove the old drain basket and overflow cover on day one before refinishing and installs a brand new, unused drain basket and overflow cover on day two after the newly refinished bathtub is polished. Important – To install a new drain basket so that it overlaps the coating requires the coating to be dry and cured.


Next page: What is the refinisher actually offering?
Custom finishes on bath surfaces by Joy of St Croix - Tub Repair and More https://www.joyofstcroix.com

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social distancing on the jobsite

social distancing scheduled online with joyofstcroix.com

Social distancing saves time and money for the homebuilder with Joy of St Croix

Joy of St Croix online platform makes social distancing as a standard practice more cost effective for the commercial homebuilder

Scheduled Social Distancing or Site Occupancy Management is how a contractor schedules the amount of workers in a space or for how long to prevent respiratory illness. 

Contact between the repair crew (who are in multiple bathrooms across the service area) and anyone else is practically unneeded when anything that can be digitised can be done on anyone's smartphone.

Joy of St Croix provides an online photo guide for superintendents, accountants, inspectors, or customers to identify repairs and estimate costs.
All done remotely from each other -
The order can be placed and scheduled online 24/7
 with printable and emailed receipts.

Don't waste time in placing phone calls and hoping they wrote it down correctly  - place your order online at joyofstcroix.com/shop/
Your superintendent who is looking right at the repair can place the service item and size into your company's cart.  Your office personnel can open the cart for review and deposit payment authorisation. No vague jargon or promises; You have a written receipt and an appointment with supplied instructions.

You receive an email confirming your appointment date and time. You are informed of the names of the field personnel assigned to your project for your Social Distancing planning.

The repair crew texts 30 minutes prior to arriving when scheduled (30min travel window). They either have a prepared access like a code or a preferred  contact to escort them. The repair crew performs their task and leaves after clean up and jobsite documentation. The field crew submits their paperwork and the office sends out notice of completion and payment due, if any.

At the end of their scheduled appointments the repair crew can remove contaminated clothing at the studio before heading home in clean clothing.

Our field crew's location specific work papers along with your company's Social Distancing Practices can allow you to limit social contact and reduce surface handling.

Our office crew's online work along with your company's Social Distancing Practices can allow you to limit social contact and stop wasting time and money. 

  • identify repairs onsite or remotely with our photo guide
  • accurately estimate project costs with our printed prices
  • Order online 24 hr/365 
  • Online payment in full or deposit
  • Order form with detail areas for special instructions...
  • ...designate parking, entry and work areas...
  • ...where the repair is on the unit you want addressed...
  • ...and more - printed out and on the worker's clipboard.
  • Project email logs are accessed in the project jobnotes
  • 24 hr account access to project status and jobnotes
  • Text alert 30 minutes prior to arrival
  • Photo and bio of field repair personnel online for site occupancy management and/or residential security
  • All of our field personnel are trained in safety practices appropriate to their industry and in the equipment and materials used to perform the ordered services.

Joy of St Croix online platform makes social distancing as a standard practice more cost effective for the commercial homebuilder

Scheduled Social Distancing or Site Occupancy Management is how a contractor schedules the amount of workers in a space or for how long to prevent respiratory illness. 

Contact between the repair crew (who are in multiple bathrooms across the service area) and anyone else is practically unneeded when anything that can be digitised can be done on anyone's smartphone.

Joy of St Croix provides an online photo guide for superintendents, accountants, inspectors, or customers to identify repairs and estimate costs.
All done remotely from each other -
The order can be placed and scheduled online 24/7
 with printable and emailed receipts.

Don't waste time in placing phone calls and hoping they wrote it down correctly  - place your order online at joyofstcroix.com/shop/
Your superintendent who is looking right at the repair can place the service item and size into your company's cart.  Your office personnel can open the cart for review and deposit payment authorisation. No vague jargon or promises; You have a written receipt and an appointment with supplied instructions.

You receive an email confirming your appointment date and time. You are informed of the names of the field personnel assigned to your project for your Social Distancing planning.

The repair crew texts 30 minutes prior to arriving when scheduled (30min travel window). They either have a prepared access like a code or a preferred  contact to escort them. The repair crew performs their task and leaves after clean up and jobsite documentation. The field crew submits their paperwork and the office sends out notice of completion and payment due, if any.

At the end of their scheduled appointments the repair crew can remove contaminated clothing at the studio before heading home in clean clothing.

Our field crew's location specific work papers along with your company's Social Distancing Practices can allow you to limit social contact and reduce surface handling.

Our office crew's online work along with your company's Social Distancing Practices can allow you to limit social contact and stop wasting time and money. 

  • identify repairs onsite or remotely with our photo guide
  • accurately estimate project costs with our printed prices
  • Order online 24 hr/365 
  • Online payment in full or deposit
  • Order form with detail areas for special instructions...
  • ...designate parking, entry and work areas...
  • ...where the repair is on the unit you want addressed...
  • ...and more - printed out and on the worker's clipboard.
  • Project email logs are accessed in the project jobnotes
  • 24 hr account access to project status and jobnotes
  • Text alert 30 minutes prior to arrival
  • Photo and bio of field repair personnel online for site occupancy management and/or residential security
  • All of our field personnel are trained in safety practices appropriate to their industry and in the equipment and materials used to perform the ordered services.
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Is there lead in my bathtub?

test results have come back positive for lead

Is there really lead in my bathtub?

the chemical sign for lead is pb

• Lead poisoning due to ceramic glazes is rare
• The amount of lead that leaches from glazes can vary dramatically and can change depending on usage and maintenance
• Utilizing steps listed below may reduce your risk even if you are not sure whether any glazes contain lead
• No one has a comprehensive list of all safe and dangerous products

a graph depicting that fewer children have lead poisoning than in previous years

When I began my career as an artist I was too inexperienced to even begin to imagine how much an Art Studio is dependent on Science. I was recently asked by a mother if Joy of St Croix's bathtub refinishing process would effectively block lead in the glaze from leeching into the bath water. The short answer I gave her was "Yes", for the more complete answer I told her that I'd gather the info from the old website and update it then post it toute de suite. So, let's go over some background first.
For many decades, it was common to add lead to porcelain enamel glazes as a bonding or pigmenting agent. As a result, lead can still be found in many consumer goods like dishes, ceramic ware, and porcelain fixtures like sinks and bathtubs.

In the 1970’s and 80’s studies started to show that dishes with lead in the glaze could leach lead into foods. In response, the Consumer Products Safety Commission and the Food and Drug Administration set standards for the amount of lead that could be used in products associated with food preparation.
Today, most American manufactures have stopped using lead in products like ceramic cooking ware and dishes but unfortunately lead is still found in many foreign imported items.

What are the health risks?

Lead is a toxic heavy metal that can cause serious health problems, especially for children and pregnant women. Young children and infants are much more sensitive to lead because their bodies are still developing. Children will absorb and retain more lead than adults. Elevated levels of lead in children have been linked to increased risks from various problems like learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and impaired coordination.

acidic foods can facilitate the leeching of lead into food

How does lead get into the body?

In glazes like those found in dishes, lead can leach out of the glaze into food or drinks that are then ingested. Foods with high acid content like orange juice, wine, or tomato-based products can leach significant amounts of lead from glazes. This is especially true for acidic foods that are stored in glazed containers.

Lead found in bathtub glazes

The Vermont Housing & Conservation Board has found that 75% of the tubs tested in pre-1978 housing enrolled in the lead hazard reduction program are positive for lead in the
glaze. 40% of the tubs that were positive also were found to have detectable lead on a dust wipe sample, which could indicate a leaching hazard.

Water samples collected from positive tubs, have demonstrated that the hotter and longer water is in contact with the glaze, the more lead leached into the water. 

For glazes like those found in tubs and sinks, Lead could also be rubbed off from tub and sink surfaces and end up on wash cloths and toys used during bathing or could leach into bath water, which could be ingested by children.

How do I minimize my risk?

Ask before you buy

Don’t be afraid to ask store managers, suppliers, and manufacturers if their product is lead free. Read labels, some products may be labeled as “decoration only, not for food use” or be listed as “lead-free”.
Look for California Prop 65 labels.

Lead in Tubs and Sinks

• Wash dishes in a separate wash tub or basin.
• Rinse dishes under running water instead of filling the sink with water
• Shower children instead of bathing
• Avoid bathing in tubs with deteriorated, cracked, etched, or chalky glazing.
• Avoid using harsh abrasive cleansers on glazed surfaces
• When bathing, take shorter baths and avoid refilling tubs that have cooled with
additional warm water. More lead can leach into water the longer it is in contact
with the glaze
• Do not let children drink bath water
• If children must be bathed in an older tub, place a large plastic bin or container
in the tub and fill the container with water instead of the tub
• Replace older tubs and sinks
• Refinish older tubs and sinks by hiring a professional bathtub refinishing company like Joy of St Croix that uses acrylic or urethane based coatings.
• Maintain refinished coatings by repairing chips or gouges to prevent coating failure.

How do I know if my dishes or tub has lead?

test results have come back positive for lead
test results have come back positive for lead

Dust Wipe testing

Dust samples can be collected from the surface of the glaze of either dishes or tubs, but may or may not detect lead. If the glaze contains lead but is in good shape, a dust wipe probably would not detect any lead. If there were evidence of any dust or chalky residue, a dust wipe sample would likely be able to detect lead.
For the most accurate results, dust samples should only be taken by someone who
has been properly trained.

Chemical swabs

Chemical swabs designed to detect lead based paint are inexpensive and seem to be fairly effective at determining the presence of lead
in glazes, however smooth intact glazes or glazes with clear coats or other paint or enamels over them may not test positive. Some lead compounds in glazes can also be very stable and do not react quickly with the testing chemical. For best results, find an area that can be roughed up with a small piece of sandpaper and let chemicals sit over night
before assessing whether the chemical test has found lead. Remember that chemical testing is not 100% accurate.

Consumer Resources

online references

Various Federal, State and consumer type agencies maintain lists of either safe or
dangerous dishware. Check the following web sites:
Consumer Product Safety Commission http://www.cpsc.gov/
Food and Drug Administration http://www.fda.gov/default.htm
Environmental Defense Fund http://www.edf.org/article.cfm?contentid=952
California Prop 65
https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov/fact-sheets/lead-and-lead-compounds

California Prop 65

To adhere to California’s proposition 65, manufacturers of dishes that have been tested and demonstrate they
may leach lead into food are required to put a yellow triangle and warning language on the packaging. see the
following web site for more information on this requirement: http://www.aclppp.org/ceramic.htm

Can refinishing a bathtub encapsulate lead?